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Post by SoHuda on May 23, 2007 7:56:54 GMT -6
what do you think about feminism? and why?
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Post by ViCtoria* on May 23, 2007 16:05:05 GMT -6
Hey! I do not dislike feminism, I simply tolerate it, because there is a specific idea I disagree with: "Women can do whatever they want with their body". Some extreme feminists think that, this way, they can abort a baby... And as I am against abortion, obviously I cannot accept this idea I believe in the right of life. Also, I think there should be gender equality, and feminism and male sexism both say one gender is superior than the other. Aaand none of them mention the variety of genders that exist besides man and woman. Why? Because we not only complement each other, but recent lifestyles have proved a man can do the same chores as a woman and viceversa. So, how can one gender be better than the other? However, at the rate things are going... In the future I think there'll be another period of gender superiority: this time it will be female superiority. Men will be left with handwork (like in the medieval and other historical periods) while women (like me !) will perform intelectual tasks... Not that I am pleased with the prediction!
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Post by darkme on May 24, 2007 7:42:21 GMT -6
I think that feminism is there because women through out the history have been discrminated against for so long... we can't just live with it anymore because even though it is fading away there are still those close-minded people who think that women are inferior to men. we are born equal and there is nothing that proves that any of us is inferior to the other just because of their gender! and what is so furstrating is seeing women discriminate each other...
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Post by SoHuda on May 24, 2007 10:35:01 GMT -6
Also, I think there should be gender equality, and feminism and male sexism both say one gender is superior than the other. Aaand none of them mention the variety of genders that exist besides man and woman. Why? Because we not only complement each other, but recent lifestyles have proved a man can do the same chores as a woman and viceversa. So, how can one gender be better than the other? However, at the rate things are going... In the future I think there'll be another period of gender superiority: this time it will be female superiority. Men will be left with handwork (like in the medieval and other historical periods) while women (like me !) will perform intelectual tasks... Not that I am pleased with the prediction! I didn't get the line where you said: 'Aaand none of them mention the variety of genders that exist besides man and woman.' I mean is there another genders other than male/female? and about your prediction for the future, I don't really believe in that.. I think in the future we're all going to be working together and at some places who discrimnate women, that will be less... and I don't think that men will be 'handworkers' or anything like that.. I hope that we'll just live together equally and happily.. is that too much to ask? ;D
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Post by ViCtoria* on May 25, 2007 18:43:31 GMT -6
Yep, there are another genders besides male and female. Just today they were speaking in our class about something that has to do with the first months of a baby's development and how that affects the growth of its genitals and gender mentality... Really weird stuff :|But I do think there's a whole range of genders between absolutely male and female. And about my prediction; I'm sorry I think I was in a bad mood or something! I'm usually not that pessimistic at all! But I just got massages =O! Haha, so I am feeling far more positive today. I really hope we can all work together and reach equality at the end.. I mean, this is one of the reasons why we are in this forum, right? To help make change! However, I also heard something that surprised me in the same class... I need to have consistent evidence of this, but I am still not sure... Supposedly, plastics, among other chemicals, are made of carbons, hydrogens, phosphates and nitrates. These are also the basis of oestrogen, one of the female hormones =O! So, all the plastics in the world are somehow leaking oestrogen hormones and affecting male development... Soo there have been some mutations like hermaphrodites (dunno if this is spelled correctly) and bisexual characteristics in the world population that consumes plastics. I don't remember why, but this components have also gotten into the water. The predictions are that in 50 years all the males in our population will have female characteristics and we'll be unable to reproduce! I repeat, it was shocking to me! Apparently, when these scientists presented the information to the UNO, the problem seemed so impossible to solve and soo big, they decided to hide it... Only the cultures that don't consume plastics, like the amish and some African tribes, will be our next male partners! I hope I can find more info about this, I am not so certain about it... Just wanted to share my surprise
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Post by ViCtoria* on May 25, 2007 18:49:07 GMT -6
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Post by Zach on May 25, 2007 20:42:28 GMT -6
*gasp*. Wow...
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Post by SoHuda on May 26, 2007 4:39:17 GMT -6
OMG!!! really? "The predictions are that in 50 years all the males in our population will have female characteristics and we'll be unable to reproduce! " we already have some males acting like women and dress like them and put make-up and things like that... and we have some females acting like men and getting so rough... and after 50 years all men would have some female characteristics!!! I wonder what will happen to women... and also poor men.. :L thanx Vic for sharing these interesting infos.. karma for you
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Post by ViCtoria* on May 27, 2007 9:42:13 GMT -6
thanks huda! I was as shocked as u!
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Post by SoHuda on May 27, 2007 11:18:16 GMT -6
Do you think feminism goes by these phrases: "women are all great because they're women" "women should be respected because they're women"?
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Post by darkme on May 29, 2007 8:54:50 GMT -6
I was quite shocked to read the info u gave vic! that's just unbelievable.. lets hope it doesn't happen!
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Post by AK on Jun 4, 2007 3:15:33 GMT -6
I feel the idea of feminism has been interpreted wrongly.Feminism is not about man-hating.It's not about glorifying women too.I believe feminism is only a movement, a struggle to get women the respect they deserve as humans. A woman ought to be respected, not because she's a woman but because she's a human being, a life form.In my opinion, feminism is a movement to safeguard and fight for the basic human rights that have been denied to women for centuries.It is about treating women as humans and not as objects or machines or some possession that has to be guarded. Feminism is about educating females about their basic human rights and instilling a sense of self-worth and confidence in females.For centuries, females have been treated and made to feel as inferior.And feminism is a tool to fight that inferiority complex.Feminism is about making females believe in themselves and have confidence.It's about females helping and empowering each other. I believe that men too, have to be active participants in this movement.Men should make sure that their sisters, mothers, daughters, wives or other women in their lives are not saddled with inferiority complex (just because they are females).Males should make sure that females are not made the victims of so-called cultural norms and practices.Both males and females should unite to fight all those notions and customs that render one sex as superior to the other one and vice versa.
Feminism is only about restoring those human rights to females that were denied to them for hundreds of years.It's about removing all those stereotypes, notions, customs and practices that keep females from realizing their potential and living life to the fullest.
No one is to be bashed up and no one is to be glorified.We are humans and we all ought to respect each other for what we are.Gender equality is not just a women's issue, both men and women somewhere, somehow have had to pay the price of gender inequality. People have only misinterpreted feminism and projected it wrongly so as to weaken the movement for women's human rights.I guess no one really wants males and females to be equal partners in shaping the world.That's why they are criticising feminism and other movements for gender equality.
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Post by SoHuda on Jun 4, 2007 11:44:57 GMT -6
I completely agree with Anu.. karma 4 u and welcome back to the boards
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Post by hekatea on Jun 4, 2007 21:37:04 GMT -6
I call myself as a young feminist (joven feminista) simply because I fight for my rights and the rights of other women. Although, I am more of an egalitarian. The very people I look up to (save for my mom) are 90% men! I don't go to the extreme. I still believe that men are good partners of women. The male bashing part, I guess is just part of the "first movement" or the first wave where women revolt against the abuse/maltreatment and over-rated inequality against women. They blame men for such inhumane treatment and the hatred is still there. I understand the magnanimity of their anger although it's just them. They've experienced such cruelty that the only way to survive and to fight back is through "male bashing." It's a process both physical and psychological that they have to go through. I do not participate in that kind of activity since I have high regards with the men in my family and the intellectuals. I also feel that having a boyfriend who's an asset is not a bad thing.
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Post by darkme on Jun 5, 2007 4:57:42 GMT -6
lol, well I do agree when you say that sometimes feminists get too far with supporting women get their rights! it shouldn't get as far, I believe that feminism is just the way AA posted in her latest post here! I agree wit u kate... having a boyfriend isn't a bad thing... same goes for a guy: for him having a girl friend isn't a bad thing too!
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Post by Zach on Jun 5, 2007 7:41:47 GMT -6
same goes for a guy: for him having a girl friend isn't a bad thing too! Hahaha no its not
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Post by AK on Jun 5, 2007 10:55:59 GMT -6
Firstly, thank you Huda and Noor for the welcome as well as the karmas! Now as I was saying in my previous post, males too, have a great role to play in the struggle for females' rights.See this example I found on the UNICEF website today: "In the province of Baluchistan, Pakistan, where the female literacy rate is 2 percent, local boy scout troops began lobbying education officials to allow girls to attend their schools. Their efforts resulted in 2,500 new girls enrolling in school in the first year." Isn't it a great example of how males and females can be equal partners in this struggle for respect and dignity? The "rights" that we talk about, are not some special prerogatives, but are those conditions that enable a female (or for that matter any human being) to live with self - respect and dignity. It's easy and quite natural to totally blame males for females' bad conditions.But I believe both males and females are responsible for this, for it takes two hands to make a clap. I'll talk more about it tomorrow! [To be Continued.]
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Post by Zach on Jun 5, 2007 15:56:48 GMT -6
Wow! That's interesting.
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Post by alyssamilanofan on Jun 7, 2007 13:13:28 GMT -6
Anu Oprah and Tyra (Banks) would be proud of you.. I absolutely agree with you about feminism we're all equals women often just don't get threated that way and that's the reason for feminism to become true equals..
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Post by AK on Jun 8, 2007 13:30:45 GMT -6
Anu Oprah and Tyra (Banks) would be proud of you.. I absolutely agree with you about feminism we're all equals women often just don't get threated that way and that's the reason for feminism to become true equals.. Why thank you so much Jenny! I feel honored... You're absolutely right.The sole reason why we need feminism is that though we're supposed to be treated as equals, but in reality we aren't getting what we rightfully deserve. Feminism is clearly NOT a force or fight against men.Threatening or displacing men is not the aim of feminism.In fact, I feel it's a pity that of all the movements for equality and rights in the history of the world, it is feminism which is being questioned, ridiculed, doubted, misinterpreted and/or opposed so vehemently and repeatedly that too, by females themselves. Women's rights exist mainly on paper, but the ground reality is starkly different.And it is that ground reality that feminists want to focus on and change for the better. I'll definitely talk more on this issue.
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