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Post by darkme on Apr 12, 2007 6:00:57 GMT -6
no prob watsoever
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fathiamar
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Post by fathiamar on May 3, 2007 2:28:47 GMT -6
I have a thought. Discrimination wont just go away. When we buy products, we want to buy products that are being sell by our own race or people. When we want to do business, we want to do business with our own race or people. When we want to give money or donate, we give the money to our own people or our own race.
In association, or a group, we want the winner to be from our group or our association. When we enter a competition, well, we want our own people or race, or group, or association to win the competition.
In football, we want our favourite team to win, and believe me, its discrimination. Even when the opponent scored 10 goals, we will still discriminate and stick with our own team. We will blame the referee for being a bad refereee or the bad pitch or the bad weather.
dis·crim·i·na·tion 1. an act or instance of discriminating. 2. treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit: racial and religious intolerance and discrimination. 3. the power of making fine distinctions; discriminating judgment: She chose the colors with great discrimination. 4. Archaic. something that serves to differentiate.
For me, we can't run from discriminating. Believe me, we can't run from it. Even when we are not discriminating, in our heart we will. Richard Gere was just kissing Shilpa on the cheek, and there he got it. Discriminated on the land of India. I cant blame them. It's not their culture or their thing to being kissed like that in front of the public, but it shows discrimination. Discriminating in favor of racial and religion. We can't run from discriminating.
What we can do is to control the level of discrimination that we have. We know if we do business with other religion, we can make more profit, then we do business with them, but when we got the profit, we donate them to our people. Or so or so. Level of discrimination should be very low, where people won't notice that we are discriminating. But still discriminate. We can't run from it.
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Post by fathiamar on May 3, 2007 2:43:14 GMT -6
Saddam or U.S? Kill Saddam? Dont kill Saddam? Happy that Saddam is dead? Not happy?
Pakistan? India? Dont buy american made products? Dont go to Israel? Free palestin? Don't recognize Israel as a state?
Malay or Chinese or Indian? Who should control what? I'm proud being malaysian? You are proud being Brats?
If you are on one of the groups listed above, then you are discriminating.
Not discriminating will give us no sense of belonging. At all.
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Post by Zach on May 3, 2007 18:10:41 GMT -6
ENCORE, ENCORE-- Well Said Amar!!!! Karmas Karmas Karmas!
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Post by darkme on May 5, 2007 10:13:24 GMT -6
karma fathi... gr8888 posts! I do agree that discrimination will exist and that maybe for forever but I guess we're talking about discrimination that we can control such as between genders, cuz that really has a HUGE effect and can be gone, also between races and not nationalitities like being white, black, asian, etc! we can cut that down... also between religions! as for the cases u've mentioned like between nationalities.. thats sorta every where! and it is sumhow different from races since like take the middle east for an example we sorta look alike but u can find discrimination between countries! as for politics thats a whole different issue! even tho all of these caes r catgorized as 'discrimination' it has so much different types! hope I made sense...
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Post by AK on May 6, 2007 3:18:06 GMT -6
Richard Gere was just kissing Shilpa on the cheek, and there he got it. Discriminated on the land of India. I cant blame them. It's not their culture or their thing to being kissed like that in front of the public, but it shows discrimination. Discriminating in favor of racial and religion. We can't run from discriminating. What we can do is to control the level of discrimination that we have. We know if we do business with other religion, we can make more profit, then we do business with them, but when we got the profit, we donate them to our people. Or so or so. Level of discrimination should be very low, where people won't notice that we are discriminating. But still discriminate. We can't run from it. Now your post was great Amar.I agree that discrimination won't go away, since it's embedded in our psyche.Favoring and rooting for our own kind of people doesn't mean that we ridicule or wipe off other people who're different from us. I feel we can at least try to maintain our own identity and at the same time let others maintain their own and live with dignity. Discrimination won't completely go away, it's the people who'll have to change their mindset (at least a bit) to accomodate others.Live and let live! Even different kinds of teeth (incisors, canines, pre-molars and molars) exist together in one mouth, don't they? The heart, the brain, the liver, the kidneys etc. are all distinctly different organs positioned in radically different locations and having totally different functions - yet all of these exist in one body and work in perfect harmony and coordination to keep our body alive.So why can't we learn from them? We don't need to dissolve our own uniqueness in any way.But we can at least show a bit of respect towards others.I know, we do end up discriminating unknowingly many times but we could be careful enough not to be open or vocal about it. Sometimes it's better to keep our opinions or feelings (about people) to ourselves.Discrimination shouldn't get to the point of exclusion, violence, hatred and ridicule.
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Post by AK on May 6, 2007 3:49:08 GMT -6
"Richard Gere was just kissing Shilpa on the cheek, and there he got it. Discriminated on the land of India. I cant blame them. It's not their culture or their thing to being kissed like that in front of the public, but it shows discrimination. Discriminating in favor of racial and religion. We can't run from discriminating."
Now as for your quote about Richard Gere and Shilpa Shetty, I'd like to make a clarification here Amar.Indians are basically a conservative community and gestures like kissing in public are not tolerated here.In some states, there are laws that punish even married couples who kiss or even hug in public. Gere kissed Shilpa not just one time, but planted several kisses on her cheek and then even kissed her hands.Had he kissed her only once on her hand or cheek, people would have kept quiet.
But I guess, the way he held her and repeatedly kissed her in front of a vast live audience and media people - the people must have felt it was obscene.In my opinion, this issue is nothing but gossip blown out of proportion.The mad media only wants a stupid scoop. Not all Indians protested against this act.Only a section of the media and some fanatic fundamentalists got to the streets to protest against this "incident".Frankly speaking, our fanatic political groups are always looking for an excuse to create nuisance, take to streets and attack people on the pretext of "saving the Indian culture".We live here, so we know that this is a routine affair here.
Four years ago, a popular filmstar couple were "caught" kissing each other in a hotel and their so-called "obscene" MMS was splashed across all mainstream news channels and papers.A court case was filed against them for spreading obscenity and "harming Indian culture" and whole lot of hue and cry was made about it.Now these guys were both Indian and Hindus, but even they weren't spared.So where does the issue of racial or religious discrimination come up?
The Gere-Shilpa incident had nothing racist or discriminatory about it.Had an Indian actor or celeb kissed Shilpa the same way instead of Gere, even he would have been under the scanner.Shilpa, the girl being kissed, hasn't been spared either.Even she was accused of giving a bad image to Indian culture for letting Gere kiss her and an arrest warrant was issued against her.
It's a bizarre non-issue incident which is being talked of without any reason.That woman, Shilpa is an average filmstar who's career was going nowhere...and she's been getting into such controversies only to revive her career.Otherwise, no one would have known her internationally...but now everyone knows her just because we and the media are giving importance to her publicity stunts. I agree that racial and religious discrimination are rampant in India, but this incident was certainly not one of racial discrimination.
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Post by hekatea on May 6, 2007 21:12:22 GMT -6
Richard Gere was just kissing Shilpa on the cheek, and there he got it. Discriminated on the land of India. I cant blame them. It's not their culture or their thing to being kissed like that in front of the public, but it shows discrimination. Discriminating in favor of racial and religion. We can't run from discriminating. I think there are two things that we could do: learn about other cultures (ie. in the case of Gere not knowing how conservative India is) so we will not commit that mistake, and be tolerant (on the part of India). We have our own idiosyncracies and these do not mean that we are discriminating, it's just mean we are different and want to remain like that. We can be tolerant but we also have to be learned to avoid troubles. As the saying goes, "law excuses no one."
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Post by darkme on May 14, 2007 10:46:14 GMT -6
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Post by hekatea on Jun 19, 2007 20:49:51 GMT -6
I think discrimanation actually comes from our (pre)assumptions and intolerance. Anyway, I just want to share a link with you where you can test your level of tolerance and the assumptions we make. I tried this test and found out that my assumptions, primarily based on the physical appearance actually are not always correct. I enjoyed taking this test, I hope you do to. www.spreadtolerance.org/content/page.php?cat=4&content_id=19
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Post by SoHuda on Jun 20, 2007 15:32:36 GMT -6
hey that test was interesting really.. ;D karma for u
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Post by Zach on Jun 20, 2007 21:40:08 GMT -6
Yes! It was very cool. Thanks for sharing and karma from moi as well
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Post by llVoXll on Jan 8, 2008 14:34:25 GMT -6
Racism is impossible to eradicate but rather we must try to control it.This is because all animals are racist at the gene levels. We distrut humans different to us that belong to different groups as animals do, and even eat the other group¡s offspring since we compete with those different groups. But we're not basic animals, we do not kill if we feel like it, do not rape (at least most of us) to sattisfy urgent sexual desires, do not eat everytime we are hungry but rather at time intervals. We can't stop racism since it is in human beings genes but we must learn to control it as we control our hunger, anger, sexual drive, amongst other things. If we first understand racism is a natural method of self-defense and awareness of human beings then we can teach people that the different groups are the same, they have the same objectives, we have both equal values and make them open their eyes and tell them they are other human beings. Of course some people are less racist than others since they have been educated to supress those primal instincts. I come from a very racist family and I can tell each time one of the objects of their racism comes near, they are overwhelm with fear. Non-white skinned people is synonym to super strenght, no control and pedophilia while asian people is synonym to vulgar and coarse. It is all because of fear that humans behave that way towards themselves. At least that's an explanation
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Post by mizztornado on Aug 7, 2008 14:45:31 GMT -6
God created us in different races and tribes just for us to vary , this is our fate. This wasn't the Reason to discriminate and hate !!
educating people is the best solution as everyone else has said ,
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