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Post by alyssamilanofan on Apr 19, 2007 7:55:54 GMT -6
Hey
I was sort of wondering what you all think of the weapon law in the US (could anyone say, what this law exactly entails).
Considering the horrible shooting in Virginia most recently, what are you thoughts about this as well??
For me the more information I get to hear to more I get the feeling that this one certainly could have been prevented, do you think teachers should get a little more training in the US (but also in other parts of the world) since this keeps happening, like for example the student who did this (virginia) made this theater piece and it was about someone slaughtering other students with chain saws and stuff like that shouldn't the english teacher (who saw this theater piece) have said something about this or have looked more into it?? Also for the police to just asume that the shooter is gone when you have so little info (after he shot his first two victims two hours before the huge shooting) is just wrong... Anyways what are your thoughts on this??
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Post by SoHuda on Apr 20, 2007 4:06:03 GMT -6
yes, I think there's more to it than just what we see...
and about what you said about that English teacher.. I mean he's a human and I think he was afraid to say anything,, or maybe he was tottaly in shock, thats why he didn't say anything... and as you see what happened and what they tell us in the news maybe they're not telling us the whole story.. and first when published the news they didn't say who he was then after some time they declared that it was an Asian student... so it's a national secuirty thing so I think they're preserving some infos from us....
gr8 that you talked about this Jenny ;D
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Post by alyssamilanofan on Apr 20, 2007 12:12:02 GMT -6
Yeah I know the teacher is only human but she said in front of the camara that she found it disturbing (to say the least) I saw it on the news, so I thought well than why don't you say something that boy could've gotten help I heard that he was being picked on by "the rich" kids everyday at some point he was doomed to snap (it's still a choice though) but I mean that's why I ask shouldn't teachers get some kind of training so that they can handle disturbing things like the play the shooter wrote, that they should try and help these kids get them the right sort of help maybe to get him to go to a psychiatrist.. The shooter had as far as I know a lot of trouble at home and his peers were all picking on him (not just for fun but the real serious kind) if someone would have just intervened sooner this wouldn't have happened I think for the future we should really focus on that or at least schools and teachers should.. It's becoming a trend it almost seems I mean it's starting to happen more and more like in Germany and the Amish school with those little girls and Columbain...
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Post by Zach on Apr 20, 2007 16:02:15 GMT -6
Well, about the law in the US (Wisconsin), here it is from Wikipedia:
Wisconsin is one of the few remaining states where concealed carry by ordinary citizens is still illegal. Open-carry is legal except where prohibited by law (government buildings, schools, and places that sell liquor), but, in the words of one Wisconsin resident, "you will attract the attention of every police officer in the area." Some jurisdictions have tried to prosecute open-carry by equating the open carry of handguns with Disorderly Conduct. Inside vehicles, the firearm must be both unloaded and encased; having a loaded firearm on the front seat was held to be concealed and therefore illegal in a 1994 case. Bills to enact shall-issue were twice vetoed by Governor Jim Doyle in January 2004 and again in January 2005 after passing in both houses of the Wisconsin legislature. In 2005, the Assembly fell two votes short of overriding Doyle's veto.
It is a felony to possess a firearm if you are a:
Felon
Committed a felony as a juvenile
Not guilty of a felony by reason of mental disease or defect
Committed under mental health laws & ordered not to possess a firearm
Are the subject of a domestic abuse or child abuse restraining order
Are ordered not to possess firearms as a subject of a harassment restraining order
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Post by alyssamilanofan on Apr 21, 2007 3:38:52 GMT -6
thnx Zach.. so what do you think about this as an US citizen?? Do you think possesion of weapons should be banned and what do you think about the recent shooting??
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Post by SoHuda on Apr 21, 2007 4:37:09 GMT -6
Yeah I know the teacher is only human but she said in front of the camara that she found it disturbing (to say the least) I saw it on the news, so I thought well than why don't you say something that boy could've gotten help I heard that he was being picked on by "the rich" kids everyday at some point he was doomed to snap (it's still a choice though) but I mean that's why I ask shouldn't teachers get some kind of training so that they can handle disturbing things like the play the shooter wrote, that they should try and help these kids get them the right sort of help maybe to get him to go to a psychiatrist.. The shooter had as far as I know a lot of trouble at home and his peers were all picking on him (not just for fun but the real serious kind) if someone would have just intervened sooner this wouldn't have happened I think for the future we should really focus on that or at least schools and teachers should.. It's becoming a trend it almost seems I mean it's starting to happen more and more like in Germany and the Amish school with those little girls and Columbain... oh I didn't know that.. well, that behavour of some rich students is tottaly wrong but someone doesn't 'snap' just like that.. they must really picked on him alot.. and it's something that develops inside a human and then they can't take it anymore and that causes some damages.. which were soooo much at this case... it's a tottaly wrong way in handling it |
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Post by Zach on Apr 21, 2007 8:19:33 GMT -6
thnx Zach.. so what do you think about this as an US citizen?? Do you think possesion of weapons should be banned and what do you think about the recent shooting?? Sure thing. I was deeply troubled by this horrible shooting. The first thing I thought was, HOW COULD SOMEONE DO THIS? Its just mad out there. Well, its in the Constitution that anyone can have firearms in their home. But, as for having it in your pocket (Concealed Carry), I really don't know. I see pros and cons for each of them. You know, murder has gone down in states that have "Concealed Carry" (my state doesn't have it). But, how would you feel to see someone next to you have a gun in their pocket? |
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Post by kingorseolo on Dec 24, 2007 1:31:30 GMT -6
The issue here, is how to pick out those with simple mental problems and violent fantasy's (I think every one of us here has had atleast some kind of a violent fantasy or thought) from those who will actually act on them and go shoot up a place. The fact is, there really is no really way to prevent these things from happening so long as certain people feel alienated from society, as this young man did.
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Post by kingorseolo on Dec 24, 2007 1:39:18 GMT -6
Oh, and as far as gun control and regulations go, I think the risk posed by lone gun men is a lesser threat than that which we face from the government. The point of allowing all citizens to bear arms is that the founders of our country new their might be a time when the government was a threat to the citizens rights, not a protectorate of it. Thomas Jefferson said something along the lines of "Every now and then the price of liberty must be paid for in patriot's blood". Tyranny is a natural extension of centralized government in general, and the American government is becoming more of an empire every day. So to me, the fact that so many Americans own weapons is both a good and a bad thing.
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