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Apr 14, 2006 6:51:25 GMT -6
Post by darkme on Apr 14, 2006 6:51:25 GMT -6
wars have this huge affect on people and on countries and they even change the way u look to the world...
so do u think wars r necessary to prove a point or to change something ?
wars start as a disgree or an argue or a differance in opinions and after the war finishes it may achive some thing in that disagrement but it ends up hurting so many people and many people die and suffer..
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Jun 16, 2006 4:37:52 GMT -6
Post by miriamb on Jun 16, 2006 4:37:52 GMT -6
Wars aren´t necessary! I mean can somebody tell me about a war that have maked things better? Take the Iraq war for example; even if Saddam Hussain tortured people it was a country you could live almost normal in but now things have just get wosre. Bagdad is not rebuilt yet and they have no economy and there is a big lack of medications and a lot of things we need to survive. Was it worth it?!
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Jun 17, 2006 14:28:02 GMT -6
Post by darkme on Jun 17, 2006 14:28:02 GMT -6
absolutly not! it wasn't worth it at all, but you just have no idea how Saddam used to rule Iraq and what he had done to people... it's really disgusting and he's mently sick. but even now Iraqi - innocent Iraqi - are being killed and tha just breaks my heart. so to either ways I say NO!!! I don't want Iraq to be like this I want it to be rebuilt and to stop the killings. and I absolutly doesn't want Saddam to be back to rule Iraq. I just want things to get better. by the way I'm Iraqi...
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patriciak
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Jul 14, 2006 23:57:15 GMT -6
Post by patriciak on Jul 14, 2006 23:57:15 GMT -6
"Peace is a result of war" ~ some dude I agree war isnt neccesary but just take a look around us Each day new countries are declarling war on each other Iraq and the US The war in Congo The Taliban With the way Iran is going...I am guessing some action will be taken Korea's provoctative actions will also result to something and if it doesnt then the US is very very hypocritical and cowardly Isreal and Palestine and lastly and the most receently Israel and Lebanon news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=59435Just shocking, and they say that we have changed so much from the days of the cave men, look at us..we are still mindlessly and pointlessly killing each other...why? because we are just , as George Bush would say to every terrorist .. PATHEITC.
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ayesha1
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Jul 19, 2006 1:20:56 GMT -6
Post by ayesha1 on Jul 19, 2006 1:20:56 GMT -6
Dear Fellows, Greetings to everyone. I am Ayesha, Ambassador from Pakistan. Hoping that everyone will be doing well n gud in their lives. As the core focus of this forum in CHANGE, I would suggest to focus on the current issues around the world with especial reference to peace. In this connection, I would like to put forward the situation of MIDDLE-EAST in the light of history, influence of the foreign elements in the area and the possibility of settlement by means of a peaceful resolution via dialogues.
I would be more than happy to convert this forum into an active discussion forum that can give us an insight into the way things are taken at different parts of the world.
I will be glad to take questions both on this forum and can be posted to me at the follwoing address: ayesha_riazz@hotmail.com
with best wishes, Ayesha Riaz Ambassador of Pakistan
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ayesha1
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Jul 21, 2006 0:05:23 GMT -6
Post by ayesha1 on Jul 21, 2006 0:05:23 GMT -6
Dear Fellows,
I am sending a short article on the current MIDDLE EAST CRISIS. I will be glad to take questions and comments on the issue.
With regards,
Ayesha Riaz Ambassador for Pakistan
July 21, 2006
THE MIDDLE EAST CRISIS: (LOGICAL REVIEW)
The Middle East Crisis is once again a burning issue thanks to all those who think they are the ones who decide the destiny of innocent civilians for their ambitions. In the course of one week; in the air strikes and missile attacks the death toll across the Lebanese- Israel boarder has exceeded the 300 count. It has been a century long debate and can be considerably extended to another epoch to figure out as are Israelis justified in bossing in the region or are people in Palestine & Lebanon reasonable in carrying confrontation actions? The important question is; Is it worth the lives of all those who have been brutally forced to be victimized by the imposed wars?
From logical point of view and in the opinion of renowned critics, political analysts and humanitarians around the world, it has been pointed out that the foundation of Israel in an Arab territory was nothing more than the vested interest of American and some European nations. Looking at the issue one is unable to figure out why only Palestine had to be chosen for settling Jews after the holocaust? As according to the recorded documentation, Germans were responsible for the massacre of Jews, then why not the European nations and America provided them a safe spot in the heart of Europe or USA?
Undoubtedly the Middle East has been home to Jews in the past but so was it for Palestinians; if it has been holy for them so it is for Muslims as well as Christians. So does that validate anyone to inflict a series of non-ending anguish? The creation of a homeland for Israel is not condemnable but the way it has been imposed on the Palestinians by greatly avoiding their lawful rights is a grotesque act in its self.
The ratio of prisoners at both sides differs at great length as it has been reported that about 9000 people had been held at Israeli prisons and the Hezobullah is demanding their release. On the other hand we have two soldiers of Israel who had been abducted. The killing of an Israeli, kidnapping of its soldiers are not justified on humanitarian grounds but is the century’s long aggression vindicated on the part of Israel? I have had always held the belief that an oppressor will only keep up with their tyranny as long as they are not facing a threatening opposition and resistance. The resistance that the Zionist military had faced in Lebanon at the hands of Hezobullah in 2000 should have served the purpose but it seems like that Israelits are not good at remembering or it can be otherwise. According to the Western world, the Hezobullah movement is nothing else but an organization which has taken over the Lebanese government and is supported by the extremist regimes of the Muslim world. The truth is however revealing another story. This military-cum-political organization has gained support due to their effectively handling matters of their own by themselves. In accordance with the spirit of peace, liberty and democracy; every nation has the right to defend its sovereignty and liberty against aggression. A strange fact is aggression has always been committed on the part of Israel. They are the ones to be blamed to greater extent for the current scenario. Had it in this entire time once thought of setting things right on the grounds of equality and have had the desire to promote sustainable peace in the region things would have been far more better right now for almost everyone. It is them who had forced the Palestinians to follow the deadliest path of protest in the form of suicide bombing, killings and kidnapping. For no religion in the world teaches to use hostility and extreme means for expressing ones demands, especially not Islam.
The international community is equally to be blamed in this case, for in the time where they could have played the role of peace- establishing moderator; they preferred to provide decisive power and tools to Israel and allowed them to play with it according to their free will. Name any form of latest warfare technology that America has and can not be seen in the stock of Israeli military. For they have always used them as the cat’s paw and nothing else. They have successfully deployed a terror factor in the minds and hearts of Arabs and Muslims all around the world in form of Israel.
Resultant is clearly indicated in this situation where most of the Arab governments are mum on the subject and to add to the insult, they are accusing Hezobullah for standing up to the injustice of Israel. Actually, it is lack of valor to say wrong to what is wrong on the part of Arab leadership. An additional aspect of this approach is the interests of these leaders in the US established Petro-Cooperative- Dollar design to which they can not say NO.
An imperative feature which is adding fuel to the fire is the patronage of West which Israel has been enjoying from the time immemorial There was a time when USA was considered as the greatest champion of peace all around the world and now it is viewed as brutal killers of Muslims who not only directly but are indirectly involved in recording their names as implementers of another holocaust but this time it is against Muslims. My point is that the international community, especially the USA can very proficiently convince the Israeli government to workout productively on the peace plan.
Similarly, the role of UNO is merely constrained to condemning such acts. Unfortunately this organization had never been able to play its role effectively in peace process due to the presence of its powerful members. For instance, in the case of Lebanon according to the 1559 UNO Resolution it is clearly stated that;
“Reaffirms its call for the strict respect of the sovereignty, territorial integrity, unity, and political independence of Lebanon under the sole and exclusive authority of the Government of Lebanon throughout Lebanon”
But the conditions are totally different in case of both Lebanon and Israel. There is no such thing as sovereignty, territorial integrity when it comes to the neighbouring countries of Israel.
Dialogues; one way or the other these forces that are active in the destruction of Middle East right now will come to talks but I am afraid we will witness mammoth numeral of human loss before this issue come to table. Peace will be eventual be the means of solace which these nations will come to realize they have to achieve for their nations sake, so their coming generation can be named if these generations survive each others wrath.
It’s the time, time for realizing the worth of peace not for others but for the survival of ones own self. Infact in the world of today each individual needs to emphasis on the view that;
“If we think as citizens of this world there are chances that we will survive and let this world survive”.
It’s about time that nations who have a say in the affairs of other nations should realize the significance of peace. I am hoping against hope that it will be witnessed before all is over for everyone.
“LET THERE BE RESPECT AND GOODWIL, LET THERE BE PEACE AND LIFE”.
Ayesha Riaz
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Aug 19, 2006 7:04:43 GMT -6
Post by alyssamilanofan on Aug 19, 2006 7:04:43 GMT -6
Wars aren´t necessary! I mean can somebody tell me about a war that have maked things better? Take the Iraq war for example; even if Saddam Hussain tortured people it was a country you could live almost normal in but now things have just get wosre. Bagdad is not rebuilt yet and they have no economy and there is a big lack of medications and a lot of things we need to survive. Was it worth it?! exactly wars are completely useless.. It doesn't solve anything as violence only lures more violence. If we really want a peaceful world people should start listening to eachother and stop fighting because fighting doesn't solve anything it'll only end up with thousands of innocent people that were killed or have no home or lost family. Like with the fight against terrorisme, god only knows how many innocent people were killed because they were " looking" for one man! Consider this the innocent lifes that were lost during the bombings to find Bin Laden or whom ever from Al Quaida are they less important than the innocent people that died in 9/11, or in London or Madrid? No they're not when we really want to stop terrorisme stop bombing countries because you think they have some kind of weapon or that they hide a terrorist. It'll end up in another attack from their side. And it gives them propoganda to brianwash more people for their "cause" I don't really want to call it a cause because there is no cause, they're not acting in the name of Allah or the Islam, it's about money. Religions were meant to be non-violent and real believers of what ever religion know that no god or profet alllows murder for what ever cause. What "Christians" did in the Dark Ages is now done by people that call themselves muslims but who really aren't. So no wars aren't necessary to prove a point or to chane anything because it doesn't do both.
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Aug 28, 2006 16:28:27 GMT -6
Post by Zach on Aug 28, 2006 16:28:27 GMT -6
Well Put!
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Sept 1, 2006 7:17:38 GMT -6
Post by darkme on Sept 1, 2006 7:17:38 GMT -6
No they're not when we really want to stop terrorisme stop bombing countries because you think they have some kind of weapon or that they hide a terrorist. It'll end up in another attack from their side. And it gives them propoganda to brianwash more people for their "cause" I don't really want to call it a cause because there is no cause, they're not acting in the name of Allah or the Islam, it's about money. Religions were meant to be non-violent and real believers of what ever religion know that no god or profet alllows murder for what ever cause. What "Christians" did in the Dark Ages is now done by people that call themselves muslims but who really aren't. So no wars aren't necessary to prove a point or to chane anything because it doesn't do both. I have to say that u have a point even though I don't agree with what u said.... umm, fighting terrorism is very important coz that one person u're talkin' about can kill so many ppl for no reason and by goin' after him and chasing him and finding him, now I know in that process sum ppl might die but then those ppl will be cherished forever but that one person will be punished for what he did and the ppl he killed without a reason and maybe other terrorists will see what happened to that one guy maybe they'll think twise b4 commiting other crime and so maybe they'll stop, taking what happened to that guy as an example... if we take what u suggested and just stop fighting terrorism thinking that maybe they'll stop seeing that no one is after them, now there would be a total chaos and those terroists will see that there is no one after them so they'll never stop and they'll start killing more ppl and not caring about who they are -not that they care now- that's just what I think....
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Sept 7, 2006 7:14:50 GMT -6
Post by lxl on Sept 7, 2006 7:14:50 GMT -6
hmmmm...... the situation doesn;t sound as simplistic as it is. i believe that the 'root' of terrorism should be addressed and not only 'punishing; these terrorist. Ever wonder why terrorism exist in this world today ?
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Nov 15, 2006 7:41:43 GMT -6
Post by AK on Nov 15, 2006 7:41:43 GMT -6
Wars and terrorism occur because of man's ever-perpetual greed and lust for power.They are not satisfied with what they have, they want to acquire more - that is why they invade other countries and claim other country's land unlawfully as their own.Look at China.Earlier China claimed India's state Sikkim as their own land and now they're claiming the state of Arunachal Pradesh as their own, saying that it belongs to them.
The thing is that everyone here wants to establish his own rule.Everyone wants to establish their own authority.I always wonder...the land is the same, the air, the water, the sky is the same...its only man who has drawn the borders and divided the territories... if nature and Mother Earth give equal treatment to all, without any discrimination, then who are we to discriminate and fight?
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Nov 15, 2006 9:03:28 GMT -6
Post by darkme on Nov 15, 2006 9:03:28 GMT -6
if nature and Mother Earth give equal treatment to all, without any discrimination, then who are we to discriminate and fight? I love this! its so true! well said Anu!
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Nov 16, 2006 10:24:48 GMT -6
Post by AK on Nov 16, 2006 10:24:48 GMT -6
Thank you, dear Noor.I have always wondered why only we discriminated whereas the other elements of nature gave equal treatment to all....
Hope one day people realise this...
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Nov 17, 2006 1:12:34 GMT -6
Post by darkme on Nov 17, 2006 1:12:34 GMT -6
yes I hope so too! but that seriously rux as an explaination 4 why there shudnt b any discrimination wat so ever between ppl!!
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Nov 17, 2006 10:07:52 GMT -6
Post by AK on Nov 17, 2006 10:07:52 GMT -6
yes I hope so too! but that seriously rux as an explaination 4 why there shudnt b any discrimination wat so ever between ppl!! Hey thanks again!Let's hope and pray that all people realise this.
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Mar 17, 2008 15:26:30 GMT -6
Post by palestine on Mar 17, 2008 15:26:30 GMT -6
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Mar 18, 2008 9:23:16 GMT -6
Post by alyssamilanofan on Mar 18, 2008 9:23:16 GMT -6
Wars and terrorism occur because of man's ever-perpetual greed and lust for power.They are not satisfied with what they have, they want to acquire more - that is why they invade other countries and claim other country's land unlawfully as their own.Look at China.Earlier China claimed India's state Sikkim as their own land and now they're claiming the state of Arunachal Pradesh as their own, saying that it belongs to them. The thing is that everyone here wants to establish his own rule.Everyone wants to establish their own authority.I always wonder...the land is the same, the air, the water, the sky is the same...its only man who has drawn the borders and divided the territories... if nature and Mother Earth give equal treatment to all, without any discrimination, then who are we to discriminate and fight? Very well said! I agree... It's all so pointless.. Noor I agree.. It's a big deal, a huge deal.. I'm not saying that we shouldn't try to stop terrorism but that's not going to happen by killing innocent people yourself. A lot of those revenge attacks don't hit the people it's aimed at but people who are innocent.. In my eyes that's just as much terrorism as what the terrorists do.. It;s really complicated and I don't suggest not doing anything but thusfar starting wars and bombing countries hasn't exactly helped anyone further either.. I just don't get why people can't just get a long..
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Mar 19, 2008 12:30:51 GMT -6
Post by darkme on Mar 19, 2008 12:30:51 GMT -6
I agree with you Jenny, I mean it doesn't seem like a really hard thing to do, but when u look at a situation like the Palastine-Israel-Conflict, you may see how hard it may be. It's been a really long time that this conflict is taking place and so both parties have been through so much, it's gone beyond just taking the land, it's now a matter of pride i believe. Cuz I mean why can't they just look at what is the best thing to do for the PEOPLE! Have a karma Jenny
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Mar 19, 2008 15:45:35 GMT -6
Post by alyssamilanofan on Mar 19, 2008 15:45:35 GMT -6
yeah I agree, I believe it's now a matter of pride and it's really difficult to just get rid of those harsh feelings. A lot of people actually teach their kids to hate the other group.. It's awful.. Have a karma as well Noor
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Mar 30, 2008 6:51:30 GMT -6
Post by hekatea on Mar 30, 2008 6:51:30 GMT -6
Wars make good business for some. Non-violent conflicts are tolerable. I mean, some conflicts actually help us improve and move but wars, I really don't see the point except for some people wars really generate big bucks.
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