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Post by gemini on Oct 16, 2007 14:15:08 GMT -6
Abortion! Does it helps or hurts?
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Post by alyssamilanofan on Oct 17, 2007 7:36:17 GMT -6
It totally depends on the situation.. I can imagine there are times it's for the best but you know it's difficult to judge every situation is different...
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Post by darkme on Oct 17, 2007 11:34:36 GMT -6
I don't think abortion is right, I mean even though maybe the fetus isn't a baby (human) yet but still if u let it grow it will be. In Islam abortion is haram -meaning it's forbidden- because abortion shouldn't be the solution, what is the baby's fault in all of this? why should it be deprived from the life s/he can lead?!!
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Post by gemini on Oct 17, 2007 13:35:24 GMT -6
Abortion may seem like a simple solution to fix a crisis pregnancy. Which may avoid embarrassment, expenses, and to an extent painful childbirth.
But the question is why do women resort to abortion?
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Post by Zach on Oct 17, 2007 15:57:17 GMT -6
But the question is why do women resort to abortion? Because many of the people who have abortions cannot afford to raise a child. Some girls are still in high school and need to focus on school work. Truly, I think that Abortion is up to the mother.. It IS her body!
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Post by SoHuda on Oct 18, 2007 9:47:26 GMT -6
I think it's wrong, but I'm not the one to choose, everyone has the right to choose whatever they want, and it's her life, and she can choose.. and her choice maybe wrong to me, but right to her.. and about being legelized, I don't think it should be legelized, because it would then mean that it's right and that it's ok to do it..
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Post by alyssamilanofan on Oct 18, 2007 10:27:56 GMT -6
So for example what if a girl is raped and she got pregnant by that, I know it's not the childs fault and I'm not saying it's right but bringing a child into this world without being able to take proper care of it might be even worse.. Or going back to my example how painful must it be to be constantly reminded of what happend and especially when they;re young and have to quit school and not be able to raise the kid properly..
my opinion stays natural on this.. I just don't think you can judge about this unless you live/have lived it...
As for making it legal I think it should.. Because it happends whether it's legal or not when it's legal it can be at least controlled and be done properly a lot of people have suffered diseases and some even death, when it's legal that can be controlled.. There should be laws though around it, like you have think it through a couple of weeks or something..
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Post by gemini on Oct 18, 2007 12:58:40 GMT -6
Many women are concerned with the changes and they are not ready to cope with the responsibilities and challenges-financial, emotional and social of motherhood.
Out of fear of grief of giving up their baby for adoption.
Pressure from others
A sense of abandonment by those who should care, leave many women with a sense that they have no choice but to deny their maternity and have an abortion.
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Post by gemini on Oct 18, 2007 13:13:46 GMT -6
So for example what if a girl is raped and she got pregnant by that, I know it's not the childs fault and I'm not saying it's right but bringing a child into this world without being able to take proper care of it might be even worse.. Or going back to my example how painful must it be to be constantly reminded of what happend and especially when they;re young and have to quit school and not be able to raise the kid properly.. my opinion stays natural on this.. I just don't think you can judge about this unless you live/have lived it... As for making it legal I think it should.. Because it happends whether it's legal or not when it's legal it can be at least controlled and be done properly a lot of people have suffered diseases and some even death, when it's legal that can be controlled.. There should be laws though around it, like you have think it through a couple of weeks or something.. Yeah thats a complicated situation. And it does infick alot of pain on every angle. I totally agree theres no judging in this situation. I think they should put counsellors in the hospital to talk to people before they get an abortion just to make sure thats what they really want to do
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Post by gemini on Oct 18, 2007 13:29:54 GMT -6
Whats the downside of Abortion?
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Post by ViCtoria* on Oct 18, 2007 18:19:09 GMT -6
Oooh abortion. My favourite topics to talk about ever are this and homosexuality ! So here you go, my answer. I have always been a strong anti-abortion girl. I think it is utterly wrong in all possible case scenarios. I know that, even if I get raped or have sex for my own will and become pregnant at this age, in this life, I would not abort. Even if I get expelled from school. Even if I am not able to continue my studies in college. I would have this baby because it is part of me, it is alive and has a soul -of course, some could disagree with me on this one. If you do not want to raise the baby or there are too many family and/or financial complications, you can always give it to adoption centers or to a relative. And what usually intrigues me is that girls from my 'social class' (Peruvian middle-high) are the ones that have the money to sustain a baby, but instead prefer to buy next day pills or abort. It is illegal here, as in Oman. HOWEVER (always the big exception), there is this one case that I have come to accept. You live in an isolated village in an 'undeveloped' country. You do not have access to hospitals or 'western' medicine and become pregnant. These people usually resort to abortion through eating certain kinds of plants. I think it's acceptable (not right but acceptable) that way as the baby would have died due to malnutrition or diseases after a little while. So this is just one case. If we lived in a perfect world, of course I'd oppose to abortion ! Yesh yesh. Overall, the issue of abortion is terribly controversial, and I do not know if we will find an answer for it soon. It's great you started the thread, gemini, here is a karma 4 u!
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Post by Zach on Oct 18, 2007 22:03:35 GMT -6
Interesting post Victoria. Thanks allot for sharing. Karma for you for explaining in such detail
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Post by sam007 on Oct 19, 2007 9:04:55 GMT -6
;D i really think that the issue of abortion is based on the social environment that one was brought up in.. what i mean is that it all lies under the creed, beliefs and psychosocial soorounding of an an individual.. personally i wont advocate for it because my faith does not. i also have personal values that do not regard abortion as a sensible approach to handling issues that relate to family and relationships at large. what if we were aborted by our mothers is this the only solution to the problem or are there other measures that can be put in place to adress this issue on a different angle.?? after all i think this is a short cut and an escapist's approach to dealing with matters of concern that relate to social life. sam007
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Post by harisstavr on Oct 19, 2007 10:42:22 GMT -6
hmmm... In my opinion,abortion is acceptable under some conditions... When for example a woman was raped then I think she has the right to proceed to an abortion, but when she didn't and had sex with the guy she loves, then I think she hasn't got the right to kill the baby... because it wasn't a "mistake"
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Post by gemini on Oct 19, 2007 14:31:57 GMT -6
well said Victoria Thank you for that explanation
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Post by gemini on Oct 19, 2007 14:40:31 GMT -6
Abortion is not a risk-free procedure. A manual vacuum aspiration (MVA) abortion can leave the woman's cervix damaged, resulting in miscarriages during future pregnancies. Parts of the baby or placenta that are left behind can cause infections that can leave the woman infertile. Abortion is also associated with an increased risk of ectopic (tubal) pregnancy, breast cancer and pelvic inflammatory disease (resulting in subsequent miscarriages, infertility and chronic pain). American studies indicate that 10 % of abortions result in immediate physical complications - and longer-term studies indicate that 25 to 40 % of abortions will cause physical complications.
The physical complications, however, are overshadowed by psychological effects. Guilt, regret, remorse, suicidal impulses, mourning, nightmares, lower self-esteem, anger, rage, hostility, child abuse, despair, helplessness, promiscuity and loss of interest in sex are all documented consequences of abortions. Teenagers (who are less emotionally mature) and those who are ambivalent about the abortion are most likely to suffer psychological consequences. Because of the immediate sense of relief (the "problem" has gone away) and repression of feelings after an abortion, post-abortion effects often only show up years later when sparked by an incident like the birth of another child. Seeing babies, children, pregnant women and even baby goods advertisements can also trigger a surge of emotion. There are no easy solutions in a crisis pregnancy. Abortion leaves the baby dead and the mother deeply wounded. Families that feel financially stressed may see a new baby as a burden rather than as a blessing from the Lord. Single motherhood, on the other hand, is almost guaranteed to lead to hardship and poverty.
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Post by alyssamilanofan on Oct 19, 2007 16:41:26 GMT -6
Not every child of single parents have to deal with poverty and hardship however I do agree with you when abortion is considered most of the time there is no right/good solution.. Abortion means the ending of a new life and hardship for the mother and non-abortion in those cases could mean a lot of heartache as well..
Anyways as I said it's difficult to judge I just hope I will never be put in the position where I have to consider it..
P.S Vic yeah I agree in a perfect world there would be no need for abortion and thus I would be opposed to it as well..
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Post by Justin R. Wilkerson on Oct 19, 2007 20:15:53 GMT -6
just to put my two cents in: I think Abortion should NEVER be allowed, how would you feel if your mother made the choice to abort you! , they are always screaming it should be the mothers choice... what about the baby's choice! do they not get the opportunity to live? if every person does not get a chance to be born, i don't know what kind of sick twisted world we live in! but we need to get out priorities straight. that is my opinion if you don't like it, i am sorry that is why it is my opinion!
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Post by mzpolitician on Oct 21, 2007 16:39:25 GMT -6
hey big sis-[glow=red,2,300]gemini [/glow] interesting topic.When it comes to ABORTION I am totally neutral.
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Post by oregonelephant on Oct 22, 2007 12:09:05 GMT -6
Just clarifing to YED, what is your stance if the mother's life is in danger from complications of child birth? Just about all that are against abortion, leave the exception of the mother being in danger, and a lot leave in the exception for rape.
But (me being strongly oppose to abortion, I lost a potential sister from it) where do you draw the line as a human and not. A Fetus is nothing but human potenial, it will become human, given enough time. Just like a baby will become an adult, given enough time. So do we put to line at birth? Because, by definition, an unborn baby is a parasite, it takes nutrition from the mother without providing anything. But than, so is a 3 month old. They don't contribute to the success of a family or society, they are a drain that needs extra income and food to keep alive and help grow. Should those parents be allowed to say that they've grown tired of the crying and don't want it anymore so should be allowed to kill it? Of course I'm not suggesting that those in favor of abortion are wanting this too (that would be a strawman), but where do you draw the line of "it's okay here" and why do you choose that spot for the line?
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