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Oct 31, 2007 14:51:57 GMT -6
Post by Ranjith arun on Oct 31, 2007 14:51:57 GMT -6
Yeeah!! But I don't say the blind humans are not capable of working; what i say is they aren't provided with proper options, though we have ways to help them.
You think most of them are provided with respective jobs?
I don think so, i ve seen Blind people who help themselves by forming organizations, But still a considerable amount are struggling for survival.....
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Oct 31, 2007 15:01:36 GMT -6
Post by oregonelephant on Oct 31, 2007 15:01:36 GMT -6
Of course they have it hard, and will have to work very hard for a normal~ish life. But they could do jobs like being a police dispatcher (answering calls and directing police), this requires no eyesight to do or learn. And it is a job that helps other people.
But no, I don't think most of them are provided with jobs, I think that for many the government just gives them a check every month and leaves it at that.
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Oct 31, 2007 15:22:14 GMT -6
Post by Ranjith arun on Oct 31, 2007 15:22:14 GMT -6
Sadly here some don't get cheques(at most 50$-100$ will be given, i guess) too..........
some of them are really poor and illiterate, so they dunno to apply for these stuffs...
even if they do, we ve got super slow Gov. offices here in India, so that even if one needs to get an allowance they have to wait for really long time or pay bribes to the greedy Gov. servant's.
But those who receive allowance are not begging, they just find some organization and earn something for survival from there.
PS:- We have blind people forming mobile bands and traveling through the city in a tempo van with their equips n performing. they collect donation from crowds in cities.
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Oct 31, 2007 17:01:21 GMT -6
Post by oregonelephant on Oct 31, 2007 17:01:21 GMT -6
So you need to push the government and it's leaders for change.
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Post by Ranjith arun on Nov 1, 2007 2:00:21 GMT -6
An individual? change the gov. and leaders?
if leaders knew i am going to talk about some issue they don't like, I will be killed anonymously...
So let us do it here with company of all YFCI activists.
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Post by oregonelephant on Nov 1, 2007 9:53:37 GMT -6
well, I'm not going to advise you to do anything that might endanger your well being, but your voice can be the best protection. Trying to get your voice heard is very dangerous in many places (sounds like yous is one of them), but once your voice is out there and well heard, it is safe.
Government's hate people speaking against them, but the hate it far more when those people become martyrs.
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Nov 1, 2007 15:03:14 GMT -6
Post by Ranjith arun on Nov 1, 2007 15:03:14 GMT -6
obviously.....
but if we are sound and one in our idea, at least it would look in to the issue.
So what I say here is why can't the government find a way to employ the beggars in some way, so that it could be banned after a short term.
they can do a number of things.... they can serve as Municipal workers( sweepers, cleaners, helpers etc.) and help cleaning the city...; if it is goanna take more money to employ them, they can be paid less in amount comparing the others.
But at least they will have a job right? It may encourage them to have a better job.... and if they deserve let them be promoted........
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Nov 4, 2007 13:04:44 GMT -6
Post by SoHuda on Nov 4, 2007 13:04:44 GMT -6
I want to share a story that happened with me, I did a presentation about 'the beggar mafia' and so I asked "would you give a beggar money or you wouldn't?" coz if they gave him money, the mafia's business will be succseful, or if u didn't give him money, they might torture him for not bringing the money he's supposed to bring.. and I goe an answer from a teacher: "I'd give him money if he made me cry" I thought that was weird
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Nov 6, 2007 11:50:14 GMT -6
Post by oregonelephant on Nov 6, 2007 11:50:14 GMT -6
It is hard to say, because it can condem the individual that is stuck as a beggar. But all that I can do to stop the business from continueing into the future to effect other innocent people is to not give them any money. I do my best to know where shelters and food lines are so I can best help them with the assistance of food and shelter. That goes a lot futher than $5.00.
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Nov 6, 2007 12:44:34 GMT -6
Post by Zach on Nov 6, 2007 12:44:34 GMT -6
Yes, that's an issue here. Many of the money they get goes to drugs and gangs. My church gives out can-food or McDonalds coupons/giftcertifackets.
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Nov 7, 2007 12:38:19 GMT -6
Post by oregonelephant on Nov 7, 2007 12:38:19 GMT -6
So what do you think we can do to help fight beggary, mafia and non? What programs do you think could work (and how they would work in your paticular government) and how would you fund them and how would that effect the other people of the nation?
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Nov 12, 2007 11:10:50 GMT -6
Post by Ranjith arun on Nov 12, 2007 11:10:50 GMT -6
Thanks Zach, OE and SoHuda for your opinions. "and so I asked "would you give a beggar money or you wouldn't?" coz if they gave him money, the mafia's business will be succseful, or if u didn't give him money, they might torture him for not bringing the money he's supposed to bring.. and I got an answer from a teacher: "I'd give him money if he made me cry" I thought that was weird" - SoHuda |
If you think that is weird, what is your opinion about it? "Yes, that's an issue here. Many of the money they get goes to drugs and gangs. My church gives out can-food or McDonald's coupons/gift certificates." - Zach |
You are right Zach, but what about the people who suffer in between like scapegoats??. Obviously Addicts does drugs, But ignoring them for a while what about others?. The Mafia people acquire money from the poor beggars themselves. What about that? Like SoHuda said... If we give them money we are indirectly encouraging this crime, If we don't we may have to risk poor souls.....What do u think should be done? "So, 1. What do you think we can do to help fight beggary, both mafia and non-mafia?
2. What programs do you think could work (and how would they work in your particular government) ?
3. How would you fund them ?
4. How would that affect the other people of the nation?" - OE |
The very right Questions to be asked. I ll try my level best to answer it well and useful. Will reply soon.... PS:- Expecting answers from all of you Including OE, Zach and SoHuda..
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Nov 12, 2007 13:16:23 GMT -6
Post by oregonelephant on Nov 12, 2007 13:16:23 GMT -6
"So, 1. What do you think we can do to help fight beggary, both mafia and non-mafia?
2. What programs do you think could work (and how would they work in your particular government) ?
3. How would you fund them ?
4. How would that affect the other people of the nation?" - OE |
The very right Questions to be asked. I ll try my level best to answer it well and useful. Will reply soon.... PS:- Expecting answers from all of you Including OE, Zach and SoHuda.. 1) there is very little that an idividual can do to make sure that their money goes to helping the homeless and not to the mafia. It requires a united people (best with the help of the government, but can be done without). Donate money to an organizeation that brings the homeless out from the streets and protects them from the mafia (this is where it is helpful if the government helps). These people can make sure that the money you give them helps the beggars and not the mafia, and most important on this, they need to post their financial statments to make sure that the money is being spent wisely. 2) Best is drug detox (when needed) and rehibilitation and education. Provide a safe enviroment (housing and food) while they learn and develop a skill that they can apply to the soceity to help, everyone can contribute in some way or another. 3) Donations (individual and corpoate) work best and than (if possible, because it would have to be voted on) fund what is still needed through government money raised through taxing and stiffer fines and penalties to maffia that are caught. 4) Many people may not like the taxes. But if the government is on your side (and not heavily influenced by the mafia, that makes it much harder) they can redivert some money into going after the mafia and putting much stiffer fines on them and have those fines take a lot of the burden, from the taxes. But if news gets out, many corporations will give money to look good, companies love that and it is perfectly fine to take advantage of it.
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Nov 12, 2007 13:17:11 GMT -6
Post by oregonelephant on Nov 12, 2007 13:17:11 GMT -6
The hard thing is when the government is influenced by the mafia or simply doesn't care.
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Nov 14, 2007 1:40:22 GMT -6
Post by Ranjith arun on Nov 14, 2007 1:40:22 GMT -6
"So, 1. What do you think we can do to help fight beggary, both mafia and non-mafia?
2. What programs do you think could work (and how would they work in your particular government) ?
3. How would you fund them ?
4. How would that affect the other people of the nation?" - OE |
1) First of all, like every Issue We need to Suggest the government and make effective programs to eradicate Beggary. The people's part in this can be like, 1. Helping the beggars to avail the programs Introduced, 2. Complain about Lazy beggars who beg even after finding a helpful program or an alternative work, 3. Help the Children involved in begging to study, 4. Inform the Rehab. org.s about the Drug addicts, 5. Checking whether the Programs formulated are in right course of action or not, 6. Helping the police to track Mafias. 2) Of course Drug detox is needed for Addicts. Education for the Young ones(VERY VERY IMPORTANT), Handicrafts and Low level Government jobs(like call attender, May i help you?'s, etc.,) for the Physically challenged, Seasonal large scale Employment with wages and for those who beg because of poverty, (like mending the roads, sweeping, cleaning the snow covered roadways, Beaches etc.,)3) Government has to do it May be with the help of Private firms. They can collect a dollar per head (in our case Rupees' per head) every month in the country for an year or two to stabilize the refining actions and in course of time the necessity of funds will decrease a lot.
The Private Org.s can search for the beggars, have training centers for respective things the beggars are interested in, put them up in necessary centers, provide statistical data and complete administrative report to the government (which has to be made public by publishing Bcoz the money used to rehab is collected from the people themselves), Have a HR department to place and employ them at right places and a lot more...
Of course we will get administrative problems but can't be to hard to solve.4) A dollar per head won't be opposed a lot considering taxes, provided the public should be made aware about the utilization of the money and the structure of programs to be implemented (Again if the poor ones can't give, I will spare for 10 of them, Not hard right?). If we assure the public that we will certainly eradicate beggary with the help of them, there won't be oppositions at all. i am sure 80% of them would help. more over if we have the beggars in proper centers, the maintaining charges and cost for providing food to them will reduce a lot. In spite of our little expenditure at the beginning, we will have the whole administration build up in a healthy way, which would strengthen the Nation's economy for sure.PS:- Let us talk more about this if you think the ideas are useful. @zach- What do u think about adding points posted in this thread to the Book we all 've planned, Zach?
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