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Post by Zach on Jun 22, 2007 14:11:25 GMT -6
I´m not sure people can ¨steer themselves away from homosexuality¨
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Post by winmsn on Jun 23, 2007 7:57:01 GMT -6
Well, it's their life : so they can do what they want with it. However, in Islam : homosexuality is a sin, as it is in the other monothestic religons.
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Post by alyssamilanofan on Jun 23, 2007 10:04:36 GMT -6
I´m not sure people can ¨steer themselves away from homosexuality¨ No it's proven actually that it's not a choice, you're born with it, it's actually the same as skin color you can't control it and it shouldn't be that way either because it's one of the things that makes us unique..
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Post by SoHuda on Jun 26, 2007 3:37:30 GMT -6
ok.. well, that's what we believe in!! and if you know the story of Lot -PBUH- the prophet! when he was spreading the word of Allah, his people didn't follow him -only few- and they became homos and did a lot of shameful things!! and he left the town but his wife didn't go with him!!
here's something from wikipedia: "According to Islamic tradition, Lut lived in Ur and was a nephew of Ibrahim(Abraham). His story is often used as a reference by traditional Islamic scholars to show that homosexuality is haram ("unlawful"). He was commanded by God to go to the land of Sodom and Gomorra to preach on his people to monotheism (the belief that there is only one God) and to stop them from their sinful acts. Such acts include practicing all acts of indecency (public orgies, aggressiveness) in their public places of assembly and meetings. They also used to kill and rob travellers, cheat their friends and cut off the highway (waylay). In the Qur'an as in the Bible, Lut's messages are ignored, Sodom and Gomorra are destroyed and his wife is left behind to be destroyed. However, this does not mean that his wife used to practice homosexuality but worshipped what her people used to worship (i.e she was a polytheist)."
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Post by Zach on Jun 27, 2007 20:03:38 GMT -6
hmm.. very interesting. thanks for sharing.
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Post by SoHuda on Jul 2, 2007 4:05:11 GMT -6
ok now we'll get to the Islamic history and with that we'll explain in a brief about sunnas and shias!! so I'm going to write a "map" of important people in Islam and what they did so when we explain further you don't get lost in a lot names..
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Post by SoHuda on Jul 2, 2007 4:40:23 GMT -6
Mohammad -Peace Be Upon Him- : our prophet. Abi Taleb: his uncle Ali Bin Abi Taleb: the son of Abi Taleb and the cousin of our prophet, and he married our prophet's daughter (Fatma) Abu Baker: our prophet's best friend. Omar Bin Al- Khatab: He married our prophet's daughter. Al-Hassan and Al-Hussain: their father is Ali bin Abi Taleb and their mother is Fatma. (the grandsons of our prophet) Othman Bin Afan: he also married our prophet's daughter.
just a note: our prophet had 4 daughters (Um Kalthom, Fatma, Ruqayia, Zainab) and 3 sons (Al-Qassis, Ibrahim, Abdullah) some say he had 4 sons.. so we'll never be sure!
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Post by SoHuda on Jul 9, 2007 7:09:49 GMT -6
I'll put this in parts so you can read them, and if you didn't understand anything or you have a comment or a question, please feel free as always and say it!
Part 1
Our prophet's mother died when she gave birth to him and his father died later, so his grandfather (Abd Al-Mutalib) took care of him and a woman called: "halima al-Sadya" took also care of him and then after the death of his grandfather, his uncle took care of him. our prophet didn't believe in what his people believed, and he used to go to a cave in a mountain and meditate about this life and everything in it and who created all this, and he came to the thought that this whole universe is created by one God, and one day, at his way back home from the cave, Gebreel (an angel) came his way and told him to read but our prophet said that he didn't know how to read, but the angel told him to read 3 times and then the angel said: "read by the name of Allah who created all this" and that was the 1st verse of the Holy Quran there!! then our prophet came back home scared of what he saw, but then Allah ordered him to spread the message of Islam but 1st it was a secret, so our prophet only spread the message between his close people, Ali Bin Abi Taleb was only 10 years old and he became a muslim because they all believed in our prophet, and Ali never worshiped an idol in his whole entire life!! and that's why we say after say (karama Allah wajha) which means: God Bless his face!. and also Abu baker and some close people believed him and became muslims. after few years, our prophet and some people who believed in him went to al-Madeena (another city in Sauda Arabia, our prophet was in Mecca) and started telling people about Islam and a lot became muslims but they had few problems and kind of (small wars) with the unbelievers who couldn't leave the prophet and the people with him alone, and some of the muslims won and some of the others won it!!
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Post by SoHuda on Jul 11, 2007 3:11:14 GMT -6
let's continue from where left:
Part 2:
[glow=red,2,300]The basic difference between shia and sunna[/glow]
when our prophet was around 60 years old, he passed away.. and Ali bin Abi Taleb and Fatma were with the prophet when he died, and Abu Baker went out and told people and quoted the Quran: "who believes in Mohammad he died, and who believes in Allah, Allah is alive and will not die" and so they did a vote and he became the 1st "khaleefa" which means the one who will take care of muslims' business and whatever that comes up! and here Shias and sunnas differ, Sunna believe that Abu Baker did the right thing and he deserves to be the first khaleefa. shias believe that Mohammed -PBUH- said to Ali bin Abi Taleb that he should take care of muslims after he dies, and they think that Ali Bin Abi Taleb should be the 1st khaleefa.
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Post by Zach on Jul 11, 2007 10:45:24 GMT -6
whats the first khaleefa?
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Post by waed89 on Jul 11, 2007 12:11:46 GMT -6
the first caliph or khaleefa is the one who led muslim after the death of our prophet... Abu baker was elected by muslims ( this is what sunna believe was done) whereas Shia believe it shud have been his cousin ALi Bin Abi Taleb who should have been the first caliph instead ... Ali was the fourth Caliph of our prohpet.... But (I) emphasis on I!!! I think that if ALi was the first caliph , the whole Caliphate thing will turn into hereditary and so only those who were related to Muhammed PBUH are entitled to be Caliphas , and besides I believe that everything happens for a reason and whether it was Abu Baker or Ali what wud have happened was only meant to be as Celine Dion puts it : it was meant to be , don't think about it!!!!
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Post by Zach on Jul 11, 2007 17:10:36 GMT -6
Ohh! OK, gotcha. Now I get it, it's like a substitute. Thanks for explaining it waed Karma from me again!
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Post by waed89 on Jul 12, 2007 1:39:17 GMT -6
thanks for the Karma Zach, but it is not a substitute, If God wanted a substitute God would have sent another prophet, it is just to lead Muslims after his death and to keep them united because after his death many had gone astray thinking that by his death Islam was ended, many Arab tribes refused to pay Zakah and others had renounced Islam and others had pretended to be prophets and messengers of God so a Caliph was needed!!!
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Post by Zach on Jul 12, 2007 7:18:21 GMT -6
and what's a Caliph?
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Post by SoHuda on Jul 12, 2007 7:31:45 GMT -6
Caliph (khaleefa as I mentioned, the same thing apparently) is the one who took care of muslims and led them after the death of our prophet! they were 4 caliphes after the death of our prophet's death!!
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Post by SoHuda on Jul 12, 2007 7:34:45 GMT -6
[glow=red,2,300]Part 3:[/glow]
ok let me continue what happened next, a lot of people who were muslims, after the death of our prophet, didn't want to be muslims anymore and converted from Islam and so Abu Baker fought those people!!!! and then before Abu Baker died, he said to Omar bin Al-Khattab to be khaleefa after him, and so he was.. Omar bin Al-Khattab was known in his fairness!! he was very just. and he was very strong, they said that when he walks somewhere, satan walks the other way. then after him Othman Bin Affan became after him, what was known about him is that angels were shy from him because of his faith and such, but people did a revolution against him and he was murdered. after that, Ali Bin Abi Taleb became the last khaleefa! and they after some time made an other man khaleefa... because some other group didn't approve of him being the khaleefa! and then Al-Hussain went to "Karbalaa" (a place in Iraq) and there they were captured by the people who killed his father (ali bin abi taleb) and they didn't give them any food or water although there was a river near them but they said if anyone came near it they'd kill him, Al-Hussain's brother "Al Abbass" found killed near the river.. then they killed al-Hussain and had his head and walk all over the place with it!! such awefull things they've done!!! people with no hearts!!!! no mercy!!
I hope I made this simple enough!!! I just wanted you guys to know some basic things about the history of Islam!!
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Post by alyssamilanofan on Jul 12, 2007 12:30:53 GMT -6
but why were those people killed?? It's really interesting by the way I never heard of any of this before thanks for sharing, karma for you
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Post by Zach on Jul 12, 2007 14:31:12 GMT -6
Me either. Karma for you Huda. Very interesting indeed.
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Post by winmsn on Jul 12, 2007 14:57:48 GMT -6
To add to what Huda said, that took place on this day.
The Day of Ashura (عاشوراء transliteration: ‘Āshūrā’, Ashura, Ashoura, and other spellings) is on the 10th day of Muharram in the Islamic calendar and marks the climax of the Remembrance of Muharram but not the Islamic month.
This day is well-known because of mourning for the martyrdom of Husayn ibn Ali, the grandson of the Islamic prophet Muhammad at the Battle of Karbala in the year 61 AH (AD 680).
Furthermore Sunni Muslims believe that Moses fasted on that day to express gratitude to God for liberation of Israelites from Egypt. According to Sunni Muslim tradition, Muhammad fasted on this day and asked other people to fast.
- Wikipedia
Though I should add, that in parts of the Islamic world that have a majourity Sunni population : the holiday is less about commerating the death of Husayn ibn Ali, and more about the religous siginifcance. However, in Shiite parts of the Islamic world; it is the opposite.
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Post by Zach on Jul 12, 2007 20:01:49 GMT -6
Interesting! Karma for you WinMsn. I have another question; how do Muslims go about marriage? Does the father have to approve like in ancient times? What other traditions are still continued, as did hundreds of years ago?
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